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Chamber wins county's tourism contract
Group edges out Travel Klamath in run-off interview
The Klamath County Chamber of Commerce will be the new provider of tourism services for Klamath County starting Jan. 1. The chamber edged out Travel Klamath, the current contract holder, after the two organizations made final presentations to county commissioners in a run-off event Monday following presentations last week that scored identical points.
Travel Klamath has seven days to file a protest against the commissioners’ decision. Executive Director Dawnn Brown said her board had not yet discussed whether to file a protest.
Travel Klamath has seven days to file a protest against the commissioners’ decision. Executive Director Dawnn Brown said her board had not yet discussed whether to file a protest.
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Dishonest wrote on Dec 8, 2008 9:10 PM:
" Thank God that TK file a protest. You know with these two though that it won't mean anything. Their hatred towards Travel Klamath is so emmense that they are blinded by their misconduct.
I like what one poster stated, they didn't care if the Mickey Mouse Club got the contract as long as it was fair. With these two as our commissioners, nothing will ever be fair.
RECALL THEM "
I like what one poster stated, they didn't care if the Mickey Mouse Club got the contract as long as it was fair. With these two as our commissioners, nothing will ever be fair.
RECALL THEM "
Trying Again wrote on Dec 8, 2008 5:16 PM:
" I'll try to explain it again so you may understand.
The Chambers response to the RFP was superior to Travel Klamath. That is why they won.
There were many, many good people involved in preparing, and presenting the Chamber proposal.
The Chamber "proposal" won hands down, and they deserved to be awarded the contract.
There was no predisposition. It was a competition and Travel Klamath lost, fair and square. "
The Chambers response to the RFP was superior to Travel Klamath. That is why they won.
There were many, many good people involved in preparing, and presenting the Chamber proposal.
The Chamber "proposal" won hands down, and they deserved to be awarded the contract.
There was no predisposition. It was a competition and Travel Klamath lost, fair and square. "
Of Course wrote on Dec 8, 2008 1:22 PM:
" The Chamber won hands down....
Of course they did, it was predisposed on who was going to get it.
I don't think anyone was surprised. "
Of course they did, it was predisposed on who was going to get it.
I don't think anyone was surprised. "
Passion wrote on Dec 8, 2008 12:47 PM:
" If we put the same amount of passion into making things good as we do fighting with each other in this town we would be Aspen Colorado, with a lake.....LOL "
Incredible wrote on Dec 8, 2008 12:15 PM:
" The Chamber won hands down. They had a much better presentation than Travel Klamath.
The better presentation won the day, and the contract.
That is exactly how public contracts should be awarded.
Creating dissention in our community just because you are disappointed your team lost, is very childish. "
The better presentation won the day, and the contract.
That is exactly how public contracts should be awarded.
Creating dissention in our community just because you are disappointed your team lost, is very childish. "
None Wiser wrote on Dec 8, 2008 9:22 AM:
" Ok, I don't know if I can, but I will type a little bit slower for those of you that cannot follow.
I am first going to quote "Wise Up".
The scoring on Tavel Klamath was 1st from one commissioner and 3rd for the other commissioner on the written RFP. How does that even suggest that they "got together" ahead of time? It's amazing that they ended up in a tie.
With me so far. Ok, Now Al and John get together, Al tells John " I'm going to vote 564 on the Chamber and 489 for TK. You will then vote 530 on TK and 523 on the Chamber. That will give a tie of 1053.
Do I still have you?
John then tells Al, thats brilliant, the public will never know that we knew how to make this a tie, and we will fool them all, it will look like some type of miracle, and we won't be exposed. Lets do it.
"Wise Up", do you think that the majority of the people of Klamath County are stupid? We can think independently and don't need Al to make our decisions for us. "
I am first going to quote "Wise Up".
The scoring on Tavel Klamath was 1st from one commissioner and 3rd for the other commissioner on the written RFP. How does that even suggest that they "got together" ahead of time? It's amazing that they ended up in a tie.
With me so far. Ok, Now Al and John get together, Al tells John " I'm going to vote 564 on the Chamber and 489 for TK. You will then vote 530 on TK and 523 on the Chamber. That will give a tie of 1053.
Do I still have you?
John then tells Al, thats brilliant, the public will never know that we knew how to make this a tie, and we will fool them all, it will look like some type of miracle, and we won't be exposed. Lets do it.
"Wise Up", do you think that the majority of the people of Klamath County are stupid? We can think independently and don't need Al to make our decisions for us. "
Wise up wrote on Dec 8, 2008 6:40 AM:
" The scoring on Tavel Klamath was 1st from one commissioner and 3rd for the other commissioner on the written RFP. How does that even suggest that they "got together" ahead of time? It's amazing that they ended up in a tie. The questions asked as a tie-breaker brought out more info they needed to make a decission. It wasn't rigged or dishonest. If you insist on repeating this, just know that you are spreading a lie. Some people don't like the facts but they are still facts. Disappointment doesn't cause it to be a lie, is just means you are looking for meaning in your choice being wrong by spearding a lie. "
to Positive Aspects wrote on Dec 7, 2008 8:24 PM:
" Sure this is a great place. My family loves it. Does that make it wrong to try to correct wrongs? Our great town deserves us to work hard to make wrongs end and rights become more common. When it comes to County Govt and Mr. Al and his Wing Man Mr. John, they have been in the wrong time after time after time. But they do have the backing of the major power block, Repub machine, and have a strangle hold on power.....We can expect bad decision after bad decision after bad decision on and on wasting major amounts of money. Tourism was just the latests of a good half dozen very costly bad decisions. "
Where were you wrote on Dec 7, 2008 11:58 AM:
" Where were all of you complainers the first time this contract was put out for bid?
The process was the same, and some could argue the Chamber was wronged in that process.
This is, and was a normal selection process. There was no wrongdoing on anyones part.
Take Dawns advice from the first go round. Accept the decision of the Commissioners and let's move forward.
This negativity is not healthy for anyone.....Including those that practice it. "
The process was the same, and some could argue the Chamber was wronged in that process.
This is, and was a normal selection process. There was no wrongdoing on anyones part.
Take Dawns advice from the first go round. Accept the decision of the Commissioners and let's move forward.
This negativity is not healthy for anyone.....Including those that practice it. "
AllanP wrote on Dec 7, 2008 11:44 AM:
" I'm not a winner or a loser, I don't care who gets it. The problem is that it was done unfairly. These two commissioners got together before hand and decided who was going to get it before any presentation was ever submitted.
I don't care if it was the Chamber, Travel Klamath, or the Mickey Mouse club that got the contract, thats not the problem here. The problem is the two commissioners that is suppose to hold our trust, violated that trust by not having a fair and honest selection process.
I agree with "recall them", once a public official violates our trust, they are now ineffective for thier duties.
Maybe a "Official Misconduct" investigation is warranted. "
I don't care if it was the Chamber, Travel Klamath, or the Mickey Mouse club that got the contract, thats not the problem here. The problem is the two commissioners that is suppose to hold our trust, violated that trust by not having a fair and honest selection process.
I agree with "recall them", once a public official violates our trust, they are now ineffective for thier duties.
Maybe a "Official Misconduct" investigation is warranted. "
Try Again wrote on Dec 7, 2008 11:39 AM:
" To: It was tried.
Comments like this shows your immaturity. To me what this charter did was tell us that 10000 people in Klamath County are not happy with their current leadership.
If I was a commissioner and knew that over a third of the county was unhappy with my job, I would do something to try to make it better, not make it worse by rigging this selection process.
These two have fallen below the line for me, and I would bet if the election was today, that this charter would pass.
Charter folks, TRY IT AGAIN, NOW IS YOUR TIME. Let get it on the May ballot. "
Comments like this shows your immaturity. To me what this charter did was tell us that 10000 people in Klamath County are not happy with their current leadership.
If I was a commissioner and knew that over a third of the county was unhappy with my job, I would do something to try to make it better, not make it worse by rigging this selection process.
These two have fallen below the line for me, and I would bet if the election was today, that this charter would pass.
Charter folks, TRY IT AGAIN, NOW IS YOUR TIME. Let get it on the May ballot. "
Positive aspects of our County wrote on Dec 7, 2008 7:50 AM:
" Why don't you, who are so pessimistic about our county and seem to be poor losers, read todays paper about the young man who put himself in harms way to save peoples' lives? People of another state and county, even!! After reading these blogs, it seems to me that several, or maybe one or two who are writing the negative blogs, are alittle seflish-only thinking about themselves; why not be honoring and wish the Chamber good luck and offer to help in any way you can?? They are the winners!!!! That will not change. We have a wonderful county and so much to offer people who come here to visit. Get pass your disappointment of not winning and reach out to others. Boy, if everytime you lose a decsion and want to take out revenge on those who had to make the decision; what kind of life would that be? I don't think I would want to live in your brain or life!!! Get over it!!! The decision has been made-"make lemonade out of lemons!!!" "
It Was Tried wrote on Dec 6, 2008 8:14 PM:
" You folks tried to recall them. You wrapped it up and disguised it as a charter......And it failed hugely! "
craig wrote on Dec 6, 2008 7:00 PM:
" I don't know which is better but I did have negative experiences with TK. Anyway...my point is continuing bad, bad leadership by the two County Commissioners. They obviously had personal, biased positions relative to the Browns. So why weren't they intelligent, hones and recused themselves from the process/selection. They should have had an independant group make the decision. Once again, big dumb move by Al and his Wing Man Commissioner. More fuss/fighting in K County...amatuer leadership contiues! "
Terry wrote on Dec 6, 2008 4:40 PM:
" Henzel and McMillan were recalled!! If you don't like Switzer and Elliot, get a recall petition going and let the voices of the people be heard and followed!!
Let's put this "THING" to bed!! "
Let's put this "THING" to bed!! "
We Need New Commish wrote on Dec 6, 2008 12:07 PM:
" I too find it disgusting that these two commissioners don't even try to hide their actions anymore. It is way too obvious that they had it planned way before anyone gave their presentations on who was going to get the contract.
There actions can be considered illegal, and I hope that Travel Klamath does challenge this decision and I hope then that the have a unbiased group of people decide.
I thought these two have done pretty low things in the past, but this is about as low as they can get. They both should be charged with official misconduct. "
There actions can be considered illegal, and I hope that Travel Klamath does challenge this decision and I hope then that the have a unbiased group of people decide.
I thought these two have done pretty low things in the past, but this is about as low as they can get. They both should be charged with official misconduct. "
Recall Them wrote on Dec 6, 2008 12:03 PM:
" To All the kind, rational, reasonable people that have blogged in here:
Keep in mind that some people will create facts of their own when they don't like to outcome of something.
As hard as we try, we cannot rationalize irrational thoughts. We cannot reason with unreasonable people. We do however, have to guard against allowing those people to pull us into their way of behaving with a willingness to do harm to others that they have mere disagreements with.
This is a great community full of great people. Most of us do possess the ability to treat everyone with respect. Including those we disagree, or even dislike.
To those that want to destroy everyone, and every organization that doesn't agree with you, there are more of us decent folks than there are of you. We will continue to treat you with respect, while we defeat every attempt you undertake to do us harm.
Please have a merry Christmas. "
See it works both ways...... "
Keep in mind that some people will create facts of their own when they don't like to outcome of something.
As hard as we try, we cannot rationalize irrational thoughts. We cannot reason with unreasonable people. We do however, have to guard against allowing those people to pull us into their way of behaving with a willingness to do harm to others that they have mere disagreements with.
This is a great community full of great people. Most of us do possess the ability to treat everyone with respect. Including those we disagree, or even dislike.
To those that want to destroy everyone, and every organization that doesn't agree with you, there are more of us decent folks than there are of you. We will continue to treat you with respect, while we defeat every attempt you undertake to do us harm.
Please have a merry Christmas. "
See it works both ways...... "
Pro Klamath County wrote on Dec 6, 2008 10:55 AM:
" To All the kind, rational, reasonable people that have blogged in here:
Keep in mind that some people will create facts of their own when they don't like to outcome of something.
As hard as we try, we cannot rationalize irrational thoughts. We cannot reason with unreasonable people. We do however, have to guard against allowing those people to pull us into their way of behaving with a willingness to do harm to others that they have mere disagreements with.
This is a great community full of great people. Most of us do possess the ability to treat everyone with respect. Including those we disagree, or even dislike.
To those that want to destroy everyone, and every organization that doesn't agree with you, there are more of us decent folks than there are of you. We will continue to treat you with respect, while we defeat every attempt you undertake to do us harm.
Please have a merry Christmas. "
Keep in mind that some people will create facts of their own when they don't like to outcome of something.
As hard as we try, we cannot rationalize irrational thoughts. We cannot reason with unreasonable people. We do however, have to guard against allowing those people to pull us into their way of behaving with a willingness to do harm to others that they have mere disagreements with.
This is a great community full of great people. Most of us do possess the ability to treat everyone with respect. Including those we disagree, or even dislike.
To those that want to destroy everyone, and every organization that doesn't agree with you, there are more of us decent folks than there are of you. We will continue to treat you with respect, while we defeat every attempt you undertake to do us harm.
Please have a merry Christmas. "
amazed wrote on Dec 6, 2008 9:03 AM:
" I am amazed that people treat personal opinion or what they hear as fact. Accusation with out proof is very damaging, and can cause major issues. Why all of the accusation? Did anybody attend a "secret" meeting between the two comissioners? I highly doubt it. our Counties economic issues have very little to do with the leadership and more to do with a pervasive mentality that has existed for years. Working together is what will take this countty to the next level, not arguing over why this group or that group won a tourism comnpetition. "
Wow wrote on Dec 6, 2008 6:22 AM:
" Recall - Yet another example of misconstruing the context for your own benefit. No where in my letter did I say I'd roll over. The only thing I was pointing out was that you obviously feel passionate that they should be recalled and I was highlighting the fact that if you feel that passionate about it maybe instead of begging someone on a blog to start a recall effort, maybe you should start it yourself.
I don't have a problem with your opinion, you are definitely entitled to it and I think a lot of people agree with you. The thing I am concerned with is the people who want to whine and complain but don't want to take action. If I felt as strongly as you do, I'd do something about it. "
I don't have a problem with your opinion, you are definitely entitled to it and I think a lot of people agree with you. The thing I am concerned with is the people who want to whine and complain but don't want to take action. If I felt as strongly as you do, I'd do something about it. "
Recall Them wrote on Dec 5, 2008 10:53 PM:
" Wow, it's better than rolling over and doing nothing like you.
The truth hurts, and yes you yourself are the poster child for why this county, Klamath County, is the 5 poorest in the state.
Hmmm, maybe if we had some leadership, Klamath County wouldn't be the laughing stock of the state of Oregon. I can't hold out any hope for the latest addition either.
So take some of your own advice, quit complaining about people that don't agree with you, and maybe you should try to do something about it.
Recall them all. "
The truth hurts, and yes you yourself are the poster child for why this county, Klamath County, is the 5 poorest in the state.
Hmmm, maybe if we had some leadership, Klamath County wouldn't be the laughing stock of the state of Oregon. I can't hold out any hope for the latest addition either.
So take some of your own advice, quit complaining about people that don't agree with you, and maybe you should try to do something about it.
Recall them all. "
Wow wrote on Dec 5, 2008 10:27 PM:
" To Recall -
Thank you for illustrating my point in my last comment so finely. In that I commented on people who post comments complaining but don't want to make the effort to affect any change.
Well...congratulations!!!! You have just become the poster child for the unambitious, finger-pointers. Take a bow!
For the sake of our community, please continue to point out any problems you find. And please don't stop with tourism, the commissioners, the Chamber or Travel Klamath. I think we can all agree we need more people like you - - people willing to point out problems but completely unwilling to do anything about it. "
Thank you for illustrating my point in my last comment so finely. In that I commented on people who post comments complaining but don't want to make the effort to affect any change.
Well...congratulations!!!! You have just become the poster child for the unambitious, finger-pointers. Take a bow!
For the sake of our community, please continue to point out any problems you find. And please don't stop with tourism, the commissioners, the Chamber or Travel Klamath. I think we can all agree we need more people like you - - people willing to point out problems but completely unwilling to do anything about it. "
Random Acts Of Kindness wrote on Dec 5, 2008 10:09 PM:
" I remember my parents from a very early age teaching me two very important things - don't speak unless you know what you're talking about and don't say anything if you don't have something nice to say. I'm willing to bet that most of you were raised the same way and probably have raised your kids this way too.
Unfortunately it seems that your ability to post comments on here anonymously has momentarily short-circuited your common decency and caused you to forget these two very important lessons. Of course, I am making an assumption that most of you are good decent people so maybe I'm a fool.
Next time you start to post a blog, I encourage you to ask yourself one thing - "Would I be willing to say this if it weren't anonymous?"
And then ask yourself if you know for a fact that what you are writing is true? "
Unfortunately it seems that your ability to post comments on here anonymously has momentarily short-circuited your common decency and caused you to forget these two very important lessons. Of course, I am making an assumption that most of you are good decent people so maybe I'm a fool.
Next time you start to post a blog, I encourage you to ask yourself one thing - "Would I be willing to say this if it weren't anonymous?"
And then ask yourself if you know for a fact that what you are writing is true? "
Pro Klamath County wrote on Dec 5, 2008 5:23 PM:
" To Please:
Thank you so much for those positive, healing comments I asked for.
May God Bless you and your family during this holiday season.
I hope you have a very merry Christmas. "
Thank you so much for those positive, healing comments I asked for.
May God Bless you and your family during this holiday season.
I hope you have a very merry Christmas. "
Recall Them wrote on Dec 5, 2008 5:15 PM:
" Please, someone recall Switzer. It is obvious that he and Elliott got together before the meetings to come up with a score that would be a tie.
These two are a disgrace to Klamath County. Their vindictivness is awful. I didn't vote for the charter, but after seeing the blatant misuse of their power over this, I am kicking myself for voting no.
Someone either needs to try to get the charter on again, or strike a recall against Switzer and Elliott. "
These two are a disgrace to Klamath County. Their vindictivness is awful. I didn't vote for the charter, but after seeing the blatant misuse of their power over this, I am kicking myself for voting no.
Someone either needs to try to get the charter on again, or strike a recall against Switzer and Elliott. "
PLEASE wrote on Dec 5, 2008 3:49 PM:
" to: Pro Klamath County.............
Are you kidding me? have YOU forgotten?
You claim that the bloggers are making "false accusations" Got ANY proff of that? I did not think so.
You also talk about "lack of concern for our community"...........The concern is ALL to REAL.
Think back a few years when the last Chamber vs. Travel Klamath goat rodeo took place.
Oh, you had fogotten. I have not. It was a total disaster and embarrasing to this community.
Yet another sham for other communities to look at and laugh.
Our county is the poster child for what not to do and how to screw thinks up from A to Z. "
Are you kidding me? have YOU forgotten?
You claim that the bloggers are making "false accusations" Got ANY proff of that? I did not think so.
You also talk about "lack of concern for our community"...........The concern is ALL to REAL.
Think back a few years when the last Chamber vs. Travel Klamath goat rodeo took place.
Oh, you had fogotten. I have not. It was a total disaster and embarrasing to this community.
Yet another sham for other communities to look at and laugh.
Our county is the poster child for what not to do and how to screw thinks up from A to Z. "
Either Way wrote on Dec 5, 2008 8:34 AM:
" To Pro Klamath
EXACTLY!!!! I see so much we can't, won't and it's not fair in this community you wonder what that bucket is full of downtown. I could give a rat about who likes who what I care about is results. Just because someone I don't like is leading a group that will not stop me from trying to help Klamath be successful or cause me to stand around and whine about life's injustices. "
EXACTLY!!!! I see so much we can't, won't and it's not fair in this community you wonder what that bucket is full of downtown. I could give a rat about who likes who what I care about is results. Just because someone I don't like is leading a group that will not stop me from trying to help Klamath be successful or cause me to stand around and whine about life's injustices. "
What a joke wrote on Dec 5, 2008 6:08 AM:
" First and foremost, I would like to congratulate the Chamber of Commerce for a job well done in both their presentation and representing our county. Secondly I found it very interesting to read all the comments on this blog in addition to the front page of the paper today, friday regarding Bill Brown. I am so sick of hearing about poor Bill Brown and his wife Dawn, let me just say this: they brought all of this upon themselves and in only a few more weeks I hope to be done with the both of them!! And lastly to the Browns: retire and move to Florida!!!!! "
Pro Klamath County wrote on Dec 4, 2008 12:28 PM:
" To all these horrible, negative bloggers:
Your false accusations and assertions, state more about your lack of concern for our community than anything you are trying to achieve.
The Chamber of Commerce is one of the finest organizations in our community. The Board of Directors is made up of some of the most successful, intelligent people I have ever met. They are all very honest, and contribute thousands of hours of unpaid time serving our community.
The Chamber staff are extremely dedicated and capable, and are led by a fine man, Chip Massie.
If your concern for our community outweighed your need to disparage some of our communities finest, your blogs would be encouraging Travel Klamath to assist in transitioning Tourism in a smooth, professional manner. Instead, you embark on a campaign of dissention and division.
The decision has been made, the Chamber will be managing our tourism effort.
Please stop giving the impression that we are a disfuntional community. This is a normal contracting process that occurrs thousands of times every day all over our country.
I would like to read some possitive, healing comments from now on. Can you folks that are disappointed that Travel Klamath LOST the RFP, set aside your disappointment for the good of the community?
Please try, we are much better than what's been expressed here. "
Your false accusations and assertions, state more about your lack of concern for our community than anything you are trying to achieve.
The Chamber of Commerce is one of the finest organizations in our community. The Board of Directors is made up of some of the most successful, intelligent people I have ever met. They are all very honest, and contribute thousands of hours of unpaid time serving our community.
The Chamber staff are extremely dedicated and capable, and are led by a fine man, Chip Massie.
If your concern for our community outweighed your need to disparage some of our communities finest, your blogs would be encouraging Travel Klamath to assist in transitioning Tourism in a smooth, professional manner. Instead, you embark on a campaign of dissention and division.
The decision has been made, the Chamber will be managing our tourism effort.
Please stop giving the impression that we are a disfuntional community. This is a normal contracting process that occurrs thousands of times every day all over our country.
I would like to read some possitive, healing comments from now on. Can you folks that are disappointed that Travel Klamath LOST the RFP, set aside your disappointment for the good of the community?
Please try, we are much better than what's been expressed here. "
To Diane T. wrote on Dec 4, 2008 10:49 AM:
" Diane, I have read your posts and kept my fingers off my keyboard, but your drivel, misplaced anger, and blatantly false accounting of facts has prompted me to respond.
You state that everybody knows that the choice was made to get back at Bill Brown. So sad that you are one of the increasingly uninformed citizens that feels that every time Bill doesn't get what he wants it's because of a personal attack. This isn't about the Charter, or about Bill Brown's behavior, or about anything other than THE CHAMBER DOING A BETTER JOB WITH THE PRESENTATION!
You also cite that the Chamber will only promote tourism locally. That is a FLAT OUT LIE. You get your hands on the proposal - which you obviously still haven't seen - and quote any sections you believe support your position, and I'll retract my accusation. Until then, quit lying to this community.
You also imply that the Chamber's members will suffer due to this decision. You are wrong. Chamber members (like my business) will BENEFIT from this decision. Again, if you'd spent the time to read the proposal and listen to the presentations, you'd understand that the tourism organization is going to be its own entity, not directly tied to the business side of the Chamber. The benefits are twofold - our community benefits because of the alliance with the business community as it relates to tourism, and businesses (Chamber members or not) benefit because of the efforts of the tourism program.
I usually don't participate in this worthless use of internet space we call anonymous blogging, but this is an important issue that has significant value to our community. As a Chamber member, an informed citizen, and someone who cares more about making this successful than shooting it down with conspiracy theories and spewing insults to try and make it fail, I will not let you continue to lie to this community and cite false information without supporting your claims.
Perhaps you and Bill Brown might be able to gain just a shred of respect from this community if you dispense with the paranoia. It's obvious you're passionate about something, but it's obviously not the well-being of our community. "
You state that everybody knows that the choice was made to get back at Bill Brown. So sad that you are one of the increasingly uninformed citizens that feels that every time Bill doesn't get what he wants it's because of a personal attack. This isn't about the Charter, or about Bill Brown's behavior, or about anything other than THE CHAMBER DOING A BETTER JOB WITH THE PRESENTATION!
You also cite that the Chamber will only promote tourism locally. That is a FLAT OUT LIE. You get your hands on the proposal - which you obviously still haven't seen - and quote any sections you believe support your position, and I'll retract my accusation. Until then, quit lying to this community.
You also imply that the Chamber's members will suffer due to this decision. You are wrong. Chamber members (like my business) will BENEFIT from this decision. Again, if you'd spent the time to read the proposal and listen to the presentations, you'd understand that the tourism organization is going to be its own entity, not directly tied to the business side of the Chamber. The benefits are twofold - our community benefits because of the alliance with the business community as it relates to tourism, and businesses (Chamber members or not) benefit because of the efforts of the tourism program.
I usually don't participate in this worthless use of internet space we call anonymous blogging, but this is an important issue that has significant value to our community. As a Chamber member, an informed citizen, and someone who cares more about making this successful than shooting it down with conspiracy theories and spewing insults to try and make it fail, I will not let you continue to lie to this community and cite false information without supporting your claims.
Perhaps you and Bill Brown might be able to gain just a shred of respect from this community if you dispense with the paranoia. It's obvious you're passionate about something, but it's obviously not the well-being of our community. "
To Diane T wrote on Dec 4, 2008 9:43 AM:
" What do you mean "just locally?" The Chamber is a National organization that will, I'm sure, be a part of promoting tourism here. If you were to do a poll, I am sure you would find that an overwheming majority would tell you that when they want to travel to an unknown place, the Chamber of Commerce is their first contact before going. Who would think to call an "unknown" local travel business to find out info? "
Diane T. wrote on Dec 4, 2008 8:31 AM:
" To: To interesting
Are you aware that the Chamber only wants to promote tourism locally? How the heck do you think we are going to get tourism dollars if you don't promote OUTSIDE the area. TK has already done that and now we have to wait another 2-3 years for the Chamber to start all over? TK has us already on the map all over the US. What the heck is wrong with people here!!!! "
Are you aware that the Chamber only wants to promote tourism locally? How the heck do you think we are going to get tourism dollars if you don't promote OUTSIDE the area. TK has already done that and now we have to wait another 2-3 years for the Chamber to start all over? TK has us already on the map all over the US. What the heck is wrong with people here!!!! "
TO INTERESTING wrote on Dec 4, 2008 6:43 AM:
" YOU ARE RIGHT ON!!!! FINALLY, SOMEONE PUT IT ALL IN PERSPECTIVE-QUIT YOUR WHINING, CALL THE CHAMBER AND SEE HOW YOU CAN HELP. HAVE ANY OF US FORGOTTEN ONE VERY IMPORTANT FACT????? WE WILL ALL BENEFIT WITH TOURISM COMING TO KLAMATH COUNTY!!!! "
Diane T. wrote on Dec 4, 2008 6:18 AM:
" Well put Kirk O! The Chamber is a clicky club to say the least and its all in who you know in this town. If you are in tight with Al and John, then its pretty much a given you will get what you want. We all know they choose the Chamber to get back at Bill Brown(and the home rule charter) and what better way then to hurt Travel Klamath. So now that they have the contract are the members of the Chamber going to suffer? Seems they have way to many things going on and none of them get done efficiently. I've dealt with both organizations to and my vote will always be for Travel Klamath. Not that it matters now. "
Observer wrote on Dec 4, 2008 1:08 AM:
" I've been around the Chamber for years. I've been more on the outside looking in. However, I've delt with them on a professional level, and always, I've been treated with respect and gratitude, no matter who headed the Chamber. Chip I know personally and find him to be a perfect ambassador for Klamath, a true contributor to the community, unselfishly for the community benefit and less so for his own benefit. He has spent countless unpaid hours in community theater and other functions, and he has been a driving force in bringing and keeping business in downtown Klamath. He has a dynamic that Travel Klamath does not have. TK has been a 'go it alone show' whereas the Chamber has appealed to a broader base of the entire county, incorporating the expertise and skills within the county. The Chamber will utilize the talent within the county to get the tourism message out, whereas TK has kept to a small, tight circle, excluding some of the most talented artists, photographers and tourism advocates within the county. It has been a "good ole girls club" moreso than an all-encompassing tourism advocate club. And yes, I have seen some good that they have done...to be complimented for such, but our county is much richer and broader and diverse than TK has rendered before the inner and outter eyes. TK has always wanted material for free from their contributors, yet as staff, they certainly get paid. I hope the Chamber changes that trend and shares the booty for those that provide the images, art and tourism knowhow that everyone can benefit from. Our county is second to none in the state for natural beauty and recreational opportunities. Chip and the Chamber have a unique challenge, but they will do well, because they will do their jobs without political and selfish agendas. I trust their objectivity and I trust the altruistic leaning of their hearts. Congradulations to all of the presenters and God touristically speed on with the one chosen by the Commisioners. May they serve us well and may we serve them well, too. "
Interesting wrote on Dec 3, 2008 9:13 PM:
" If anyone has had the intelligence, motivation, or ambition to read all four plans that were submitted (I understand they are available for the public) and can cite specific reasons you think Travel Klamath's plan was best (including which portions were not covered in one of the other four groups), I'm all ears. Unfortunately, I think a lot of you want to sit on here and complain but don't want to take the time to do any homework. Probably the same people who vote a certain way because you like the shirt the candidate is wearing or "you just want change" rather than voting because you looked into all the issues.
One thing I've noticed and found interesting is that several of you have cited problems with the Chamber and the way it's been done. With the exception of the air show, so far any issues that have been specifically pointed out were before Massie took over. Like I said, take away the air show and some of you have cited:
a) turnover - I suggest you check your facts and see how turnover is now. With any new management change, there's going to be changes in staff but I do believe the majority of the turnover was before Massie or fairly shortly thereafter.
b) politics - if you think there are no politics with Travel Klamath, I'd suggest you look back to when the board quit and we were all reading about that in the paper. Politics are everywhere (even here in this anonymous blog).
c) changes in Executive Directors - again, somewhat out of the control of the current directorship
d) Questions of money issues - again, I believe prior to this management, correct me if I'm wrong though.
Other than that, most of you badmouthing the Chamber haven't had enough background to even cite specific examples. Without specific examples, you lose credibility and sound like whiners.
I'm not a Chamber supporter and I don't really care if it was the Chamber, the group that wrote the letter, the other group that lost, or Travel Klamath. However, if I am passionate about tourism like most of you pretend to be, I'm going to call the Chamber and see what I can do to help. That's what action-oriented, mature, caring citizens do - get involved. "
One thing I've noticed and found interesting is that several of you have cited problems with the Chamber and the way it's been done. With the exception of the air show, so far any issues that have been specifically pointed out were before Massie took over. Like I said, take away the air show and some of you have cited:
a) turnover - I suggest you check your facts and see how turnover is now. With any new management change, there's going to be changes in staff but I do believe the majority of the turnover was before Massie or fairly shortly thereafter.
b) politics - if you think there are no politics with Travel Klamath, I'd suggest you look back to when the board quit and we were all reading about that in the paper. Politics are everywhere (even here in this anonymous blog).
c) changes in Executive Directors - again, somewhat out of the control of the current directorship
d) Questions of money issues - again, I believe prior to this management, correct me if I'm wrong though.
Other than that, most of you badmouthing the Chamber haven't had enough background to even cite specific examples. Without specific examples, you lose credibility and sound like whiners.
I'm not a Chamber supporter and I don't really care if it was the Chamber, the group that wrote the letter, the other group that lost, or Travel Klamath. However, if I am passionate about tourism like most of you pretend to be, I'm going to call the Chamber and see what I can do to help. That's what action-oriented, mature, caring citizens do - get involved. "
Kirk O. wrote on Dec 3, 2008 7:25 PM:
" Having worked with both organizations I have seen, first hand, how professionally Travel Klamath has handled organization and promotion. They have increased exposure in more national magazines than ever before, and lured people from far away to our fair city.
The Chamber has always been run more like a club, where the members shuffle around, schmoozing up is the way to security and, alas, has always been subject to the variances of politics. (This move being what appears to be the most egregious of setups)
We need a little reason and another attempt. Let us wipe the slate clean and do this ALL, all over again. The risks are too great NOT to. "
The Chamber has always been run more like a club, where the members shuffle around, schmoozing up is the way to security and, alas, has always been subject to the variances of politics. (This move being what appears to be the most egregious of setups)
We need a little reason and another attempt. Let us wipe the slate clean and do this ALL, all over again. The risks are too great NOT to. "
Lets see wrote on Dec 3, 2008 5:53 PM:
" What disturbs me most is the lack of professionalism with the Chamber. Just look at the previous Executive Directors, the big turn over in office staff, questions of money issues, the air show and the list goes on and on.
Do they really think they can pull of tourism? And why did the Commissioners toss out 5 years of hard work and something that is already established for an organization who is known for not doing things 100% and will take them 2-3 years to get established AGAIN?
Whats wrong with this picture Al and John???? "
Do they really think they can pull of tourism? And why did the Commissioners toss out 5 years of hard work and something that is already established for an organization who is known for not doing things 100% and will take them 2-3 years to get established AGAIN?
Whats wrong with this picture Al and John???? "
Keep it real wrote on Dec 3, 2008 7:54 AM:
" I think some of you are reading too much into the letter to the editor. There was absolutely nothing in their letter to suggest they think the commissioners are crooked, biased, or have a political agenda. You naysayers are all playing a typical political gain - putting a spin and trying to place a message 'between the lines' that may not even exist. The letter to the editor was to critique the 'fly by the seat of your pants' tie breaker. The letter was in opposition of a plan thought up in a matter of seconds when they realized the tie. The letter asked the commissioners to give more thought to how the tie should be broken.
If I'm incorrect, please restate the portion of their letter (verbatim please) that gave you this view and I'll gladly recant. Unless you wrote the letter, I'd ask you to please stop trying to put words into it that don't exist.
And I agree that if you are unhappy and think you have something to bring to the table, call the Chamber. Despite past behavior by the Chamber, their staff (which is all new might I add) wants business and Klamath County to succeed. If you haven't seen them lately in the office, stop in. I did and saw teamwork and a willingness to listen to what their members want. "
If I'm incorrect, please restate the portion of their letter (verbatim please) that gave you this view and I'll gladly recant. Unless you wrote the letter, I'd ask you to please stop trying to put words into it that don't exist.
And I agree that if you are unhappy and think you have something to bring to the table, call the Chamber. Despite past behavior by the Chamber, their staff (which is all new might I add) wants business and Klamath County to succeed. If you haven't seen them lately in the office, stop in. I did and saw teamwork and a willingness to listen to what their members want. "
Go back to the basics wrote on Dec 3, 2008 6:48 AM:
" We need to all cool down and go back to the basics. At the original meeting, which was televised, all groups had the opportunity to present their proposal. If the musuem group would have been one of the top two, they would not have written the letter to the editor. The process worked. The top two were given another opportunity to present themselves. It could have been decided by a coin toss like some mayor races have been determined in some US cities. But, the commissioners gave both of them another chance. What a unique question they were given. Say something nice about the competitor!!! That was good!!! So, we need to stop all this bickering and look at why we are awarding the money to a tourism group-to encourage people to enjoy this wonderful county!!!! We live in a wonderful place. Let's all get behind the winner and speak positive things about our county. All this bickering does no good for who we are. Everyone of us has lost at one time on another in the past. Guess what? We are still here, still breathing, and enjoying our lives here in Klamath County. There will always be winners and losers. Crying over "spilt milk" will not put the "milk" back into the glass. Let's get on with life and honor the one who won. Have a good day. "
Unreal wrote on Dec 3, 2008 1:57 AM:
" To Ron:
Your slanderous remarks attacking the character of the Commissioners are unfortunate, and unwarranted.
Stick to retirement. It is the only thing you are good at. "
Your slanderous remarks attacking the character of the Commissioners are unfortunate, and unwarranted.
Stick to retirement. It is the only thing you are good at. "
My Answer wrote on Dec 3, 2008 1:53 AM:
" They were not concerned at all about bias. That was merely their suggestion for the Commissioners to consider.
I will also like to point out that the letter was from ONE of the groups, and not "the other two groups" as you represent in both your comments.
The process followed by the Commissioners, was the same process in place the first time this contract was issued. The only difference was the tie breaker. Since the Commissioners have the responsibility to make contract awards, they had to come to a decision that would enable them to make the decision within the narrow time frame they had to work with. "
I will also like to point out that the letter was from ONE of the groups, and not "the other two groups" as you represent in both your comments.
The process followed by the Commissioners, was the same process in place the first time this contract was issued. The only difference was the tie breaker. Since the Commissioners have the responsibility to make contract awards, they had to come to a decision that would enable them to make the decision within the narrow time frame they had to work with. "
Please answer wrote on Dec 2, 2008 11:11 PM:
" To Sad:
Please, please, please address the issue of the other two unchosen groups of Kepple and Weider etc. asking for a neutral
party to decide this crucial contract. Why are they asking for this in something so public as a letter to the editor?
You cannot reason with people on this blog and the public at large because the decision to choose the Chamber based on one question to critique someone else's project, is in fact illogical and indefensible.
What part of the Weider, Kepple letter is untrue? Why won't you address their concerns- they have NOTHING to gain. They obviously are really concerned that the two commissioners are so biased as to render the wrong choice if left to their own devices. "
Please, please, please address the issue of the other two unchosen groups of Kepple and Weider etc. asking for a neutral
party to decide this crucial contract. Why are they asking for this in something so public as a letter to the editor?
You cannot reason with people on this blog and the public at large because the decision to choose the Chamber based on one question to critique someone else's project, is in fact illogical and indefensible.
What part of the Weider, Kepple letter is untrue? Why won't you address their concerns- they have NOTHING to gain. They obviously are really concerned that the two commissioners are so biased as to render the wrong choice if left to their own devices. "
Sad wrote on Dec 2, 2008 9:37 PM:
" Barely a truth, or any facts can be found in the blogs that oppose the Commissioners decision. This makes it extremely difficult to reason with some of you.
The Chamber is a good organization that won the RFP, fair and square. If you are all serious regarding your concern for the success of the tourism effort, contact the Chamber and let them know you want to have a voice. I am certain they would be willing to every person willing to put forth the effort, and work productively to ensure the success of our community. "
The Chamber is a good organization that won the RFP, fair and square. If you are all serious regarding your concern for the success of the tourism effort, contact the Chamber and let them know you want to have a voice. I am certain they would be willing to every person willing to put forth the effort, and work productively to ensure the success of our community. "
Ron wrote on Dec 2, 2008 9:06 PM:
" This is probably the biggest sham Klamath County has seen in a long time. Our Commissioners have chosen a completely disfunctional organization (the Chamber) to run tourism for the county, for the sole purpose of getting back at Bill Brown for supporting the Charter proposal. This action was predicted by many people long before the decision on Monday. It is a disgrace that we have Commissioners who lied their way back into office, and now use their power to retaliate against their opponents. There needs to be a recall of Switzer and Elliott over this. These two guys are just terrible leaders!! "
Lets see wrote on Dec 2, 2008 6:05 PM:
" Some great points have been posted here and if the Air Show is one example of what the Chamber will offer for tourism, then this town is doomed.
Anywho with half a brain knows this process was unfair, biased and political.
I mean come on people, wake up and smell the coffee. The Chamber has not impressed me one bit but TK has.
To bad we seem to be stuck in a time warp in this town! Chip Massie, are ya happy you put several hard working people out of work? Live with that!
And yes I watched all 4 presentations. "
Anywho with half a brain knows this process was unfair, biased and political.
I mean come on people, wake up and smell the coffee. The Chamber has not impressed me one bit but TK has.
To bad we seem to be stuck in a time warp in this town! Chip Massie, are ya happy you put several hard working people out of work? Live with that!
And yes I watched all 4 presentations. "
A suggestion wrote on Dec 2, 2008 5:46 PM:
" RE: Weider and Kepple and others not chosen letter to the editor:
Given that the other groups not chosen asked for a different system to choose the final winner; may I suggest the two commissioners who voted should recuse themselves, as they have already made clear their bitterness and prejudice toward the third commissioner and his wife.
Let a panel of neutral observers (maybe a panel of OSU hospitality/tourism grad students) see the presentations and pick a winner. This would take the responsibility off all three commissioners and keep it fair for all.
Travel Klamath should ask for all three commissioners to be recused in an appeal.
The Chamber and TK cannot possibly feel right about the final selection being based on critiquing of their opponent's project. This is not fifth grade - this is a five year contract - let's improve the selection process like Weider et al suggested. "
Given that the other groups not chosen asked for a different system to choose the final winner; may I suggest the two commissioners who voted should recuse themselves, as they have already made clear their bitterness and prejudice toward the third commissioner and his wife.
Let a panel of neutral observers (maybe a panel of OSU hospitality/tourism grad students) see the presentations and pick a winner. This would take the responsibility off all three commissioners and keep it fair for all.
Travel Klamath should ask for all three commissioners to be recused in an appeal.
The Chamber and TK cannot possibly feel right about the final selection being based on critiquing of their opponent's project. This is not fifth grade - this is a five year contract - let's improve the selection process like Weider et al suggested. "
What is this all about wrote on Dec 2, 2008 5:28 PM:
" If you tuned in to the public channel and watched the presentation of all 4 groups last week and then the one this week between Travel Klamath and the Chamber, you would have seen the obvivious. Travel Klamath had no visuals only dull black and white power points, she seemed so disinterested-there wasn't any excitement to her voice, and at times, she seemed distracted. I saw both of them. What is this about politcal manuevuring of the two commissioners? As far as I am concerned, the vote was right on. The Chamber did a better job both times. This week's program showed that because neither one knew the question and so it was up to them to convince the commissioners who should have the money. I agree with "I hate winners." The whole thing was fair and both groups agreed to the process. So get a life, and let's go on and support the Chamber-we really need tourism in our county, and after watching all 4 groups, I saw things I did not know existed here, so my advice is for all groups to work with the Chamber for the betterment of Klamath County, and lay aside personal agendas. Is Travel Klamath going to keep its word and pass on information like they said they would at the presentation on Monday?? We will see, won't we? "
I watched wrote on Dec 2, 2008 4:42 PM:
" To those defending the Chamber winner:
If this process was so "fair" why did the group of people (Kepple and Weider, et al) write the letter to the editor and ask for a better selection process than the two good ole boy commissioners with an axe to grind, picking the winner off from one question on Monday?
THEY (Weider et al, who were part of this process) obviously felt it would not be done fairly or with true and best interests at heart or they would not have made this public plea for a different methodology for a final winner.
Furthermore, we have been in a RECESSION for A YEAR now! That is why the motels aren't filling up - not because of a room tax.
Good grief folks, to blame a recession and near depression on Travel Klamath is the height of lack of knowledge. We really do have some people with their heads in the sand if you think unfilled motel rooms are the result of Travel Klamath!
It is my professional opinon that Travel Klamath did a great job and should have been awarded the contract, BUT I will support the travel industry in Klamath no matter what; but I'll ask you defenders of the Chamber award and detractors of Travel Klamath -next year if the rooms aren't filled up and tourism is way off are you going to "blame" the Chamber like you are blaming Travel Klamath? "
If this process was so "fair" why did the group of people (Kepple and Weider, et al) write the letter to the editor and ask for a better selection process than the two good ole boy commissioners with an axe to grind, picking the winner off from one question on Monday?
THEY (Weider et al, who were part of this process) obviously felt it would not be done fairly or with true and best interests at heart or they would not have made this public plea for a different methodology for a final winner.
Furthermore, we have been in a RECESSION for A YEAR now! That is why the motels aren't filling up - not because of a room tax.
Good grief folks, to blame a recession and near depression on Travel Klamath is the height of lack of knowledge. We really do have some people with their heads in the sand if you think unfilled motel rooms are the result of Travel Klamath!
It is my professional opinon that Travel Klamath did a great job and should have been awarded the contract, BUT I will support the travel industry in Klamath no matter what; but I'll ask you defenders of the Chamber award and detractors of Travel Klamath -next year if the rooms aren't filled up and tourism is way off are you going to "blame" the Chamber like you are blaming Travel Klamath? "
Kirk wrote on Dec 2, 2008 4:32 PM:
" Since I haven't yet read the presentations and I was not present, I can not speak to the present.
I can speak to the past and have seen what the Chamber's track record and the same for Travel Klamath has been.
I wish only to leave you with two words to ponder. This is the Elephant in the Living Room that no one seems to notice. Those words... AIR SHOW
Let us hope that is not the level of the bar we just raised.
Good Luck, Chamber. "
I can speak to the past and have seen what the Chamber's track record and the same for Travel Klamath has been.
I wish only to leave you with two words to ponder. This is the Elephant in the Living Room that no one seems to notice. Those words... AIR SHOW
Let us hope that is not the level of the bar we just raised.
Good Luck, Chamber. "
Curious Again wrote on Dec 2, 2008 4:18 PM:
" So one ppresentation should outweigh any experience?
we should go with a group that has no tourism experience, but supposedly they want to work with locals -(how will that fill hotel beds?) Do they have any idea of the demographics of our tourist?
Amazing. "
we should go with a group that has no tourism experience, but supposedly they want to work with locals -(how will that fill hotel beds?) Do they have any idea of the demographics of our tourist?
Amazing. "
citizen2 wrote on Dec 2, 2008 3:01 PM:
" Although it was said a bit harshly, I agree 100% with "i hate whiners".
The Chamber had a far superior proposal, and was obviously the right choice.
For those complaining about political motivations, I think it is only because of political stuff that anyone is upset with the decision ... TK is so entrenched in the political sphere that it was difficult to NOT choose them, even though they LOST the contract fair and square. "
The Chamber had a far superior proposal, and was obviously the right choice.
For those complaining about political motivations, I think it is only because of political stuff that anyone is upset with the decision ... TK is so entrenched in the political sphere that it was difficult to NOT choose them, even though they LOST the contract fair and square. "
I hate whiners ... wrote on Dec 2, 2008 11:27 AM:
" First of all, its obvious some of you didn't see the presentations, and I'm certain you didn't read the written proposals (which only yesterday became publicly available).
The Chamber did a better job in both the original presentation and the runoff.
Its also obvious you haven't spoken with any of the lodging operators who are disappointed in Travel Klamath's ability to fill up their hotels and represent them. Do you remember the discussion about a year ago about raising the bed tax?
Why is it that any time a decision is made in this town its because of the "good ole boys network"? Are you truly so naive, ignorant and cynical to believe that maybe someone has a better idea or a better plan? Or is it that you're just too lazy to discover the facts, ask questions and contact your county commissioners and give them your input, and find it easier to blame everything on a conspiracy?
Shame on you for invalidating the motivation and efforts of the four groups that made presentations during this process. Don't you think if - as you suggest - there is a majority of people in Klamath County that think Travel Klamath is doing a good job that there probably wouldn't have been four groups competing for the contract?
Perhaps you could do something productive and find out how you can help them out.
Here's an idea. If you are so convinced that this was handled improperly by the commissioners, why don't you help Travel Klamath with an appeal during the next six days? Or is it just easier to complain on an anonymous blog? "
The Chamber did a better job in both the original presentation and the runoff.
Its also obvious you haven't spoken with any of the lodging operators who are disappointed in Travel Klamath's ability to fill up their hotels and represent them. Do you remember the discussion about a year ago about raising the bed tax?
Why is it that any time a decision is made in this town its because of the "good ole boys network"? Are you truly so naive, ignorant and cynical to believe that maybe someone has a better idea or a better plan? Or is it that you're just too lazy to discover the facts, ask questions and contact your county commissioners and give them your input, and find it easier to blame everything on a conspiracy?
Shame on you for invalidating the motivation and efforts of the four groups that made presentations during this process. Don't you think if - as you suggest - there is a majority of people in Klamath County that think Travel Klamath is doing a good job that there probably wouldn't have been four groups competing for the contract?
Perhaps you could do something productive and find out how you can help them out.
Here's an idea. If you are so convinced that this was handled improperly by the commissioners, why don't you help Travel Klamath with an appeal during the next six days? Or is it just easier to complain on an anonymous blog? "
I hate whiners ... wrote on Dec 2, 2008 10:28 AM:
" First of all, its obvious some of you didn't see the presentations, and I'm certain you didn't read the written proposals (which only yesterday became publicly available).
The Chamber did a better job in both the original presentation and the runoff.
Its also obvious you haven't spoken with any lodging operators who have been extremely disappointed in Travel Klamath's ability to fill up their hotels and represent them. Do you remember the discussion about a year ago about raising the bed tax?
Why is it that any time a decision is made in this town its because of the "good ole boys network"? Are you truly so naive, ignorant and cynical to believe that maybe someone has a better idea or a better plan? Or is it that you're just too lazy to discover the facts, ask questions and contact your county commissioners and give them your input, and find it easier to blame everything on a conspiracy?
Shame on you for invalidating the motivation and efforts of the four groups that made presentations during this process. Don't you think if - as you suggest - there is a majority of people in Klamath County that thinks Travel Klamath is doing a good job that there probably wouldn't have been four groups competing for the contract?
Perhaps you could do something productive and find out how you can help them out. Or is it just easier to complain on an anonymous blog? "
The Chamber did a better job in both the original presentation and the runoff.
Its also obvious you haven't spoken with any lodging operators who have been extremely disappointed in Travel Klamath's ability to fill up their hotels and represent them. Do you remember the discussion about a year ago about raising the bed tax?
Why is it that any time a decision is made in this town its because of the "good ole boys network"? Are you truly so naive, ignorant and cynical to believe that maybe someone has a better idea or a better plan? Or is it that you're just too lazy to discover the facts, ask questions and contact your county commissioners and give them your input, and find it easier to blame everything on a conspiracy?
Shame on you for invalidating the motivation and efforts of the four groups that made presentations during this process. Don't you think if - as you suggest - there is a majority of people in Klamath County that thinks Travel Klamath is doing a good job that there probably wouldn't have been four groups competing for the contract?
Perhaps you could do something productive and find out how you can help them out. Or is it just easier to complain on an anonymous blog? "
Concerned wrote on Dec 2, 2008 8:45 AM:
" After all the hard work that Travel Klamath has done in the last couple of years, they lose to the decision of "the good 'ol boys", being our worthless county officials. I'm not upset because the Chamber won the contract, I hope they do a great job. I'm upset because of the personal agendas of our county officials. Shame on you. "
Either Way wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:20 AM:
" let's rally and throw our support behing our Chamber if you are not a memeber you should be, we need everyone to pitch in and get behind the plan that is laid out before us. Let's see what we can do together instead of pulling in different directions. Our community needs us to help bring travel and tourism to the Basin and just maybe a job or two for all of our struggling neighbors. "
Diane T. wrote on Dec 2, 2008 6:33 AM:
" You hit the nail on the head Citizen! This was another good ole boys attempt to show their favortism towards the Chamber and we all know they had it out for the Browns. What better way to get back at Bill then though his wife.
It was all rigged and anyone who really watchs what goes on in this town knows that!
And the Chamber do a good job? I doubt that! "
It was all rigged and anyone who really watchs what goes on in this town knows that!
And the Chamber do a good job? I doubt that! "
Citizen wrote on Dec 1, 2008 10:52 PM:
" What a shame.
TK has done a fabulous job and it of course comes down to the animosity and payback by the two voting commissioners toward the Brown's.
Otherwise they would have involved others in the decision (as suggested by Kepple and Weider, et al) and the decision would have been made in an equitable manner - not on the respnse of a single question.
Many of us thought TK did a great job in the presentations and should have continued.
Please don't even suggest that the two commissioners who voted couldn't have planned the vote to be a tie and then resolve it this way - they're pretty astute at the game.
Unfortunately it appears to be just more of the same old, same old....... "
TK has done a fabulous job and it of course comes down to the animosity and payback by the two voting commissioners toward the Brown's.
Otherwise they would have involved others in the decision (as suggested by Kepple and Weider, et al) and the decision would have been made in an equitable manner - not on the respnse of a single question.
Many of us thought TK did a great job in the presentations and should have continued.
Please don't even suggest that the two commissioners who voted couldn't have planned the vote to be a tie and then resolve it this way - they're pretty astute at the game.
Unfortunately it appears to be just more of the same old, same old....... "
Tank Langenhorn wrote on Dec 1, 2008 9:39 PM:
" I think TK has done an admirable job but it’s difficult to ignore the possible synergies that the Chamber may be able to exploit. Hats off to Dawn, Chip and all involved in furthering the goal of making Klamath a more attractive traveler's destination. "
ronald wrote on Dec 1, 2008 6:37 PM:
" probably a wise choice, if the question was valid. hopefully, chip massey will perform well and market our community effectively. it will be in the community's best interest if dawnnrrq69 brown will cooperate and make her data base public domain. "
Honey wrote on Dec 1, 2008 6:26 PM:
" They each had to discuss the positive aspects of the others proposal.
The Chamber did quite a lot better than Travel Klamath. I was routing for Travel Klamth, but I have to say the Chamber did win.
We just need to get behind them and help them perform well, for all our sake. "
The Chamber did quite a lot better than Travel Klamath. I was routing for Travel Klamth, but I have to say the Chamber did win.
We just need to get behind them and help them perform well, for all our sake. "
Diane T. wrote on Dec 1, 2008 5:58 PM:
" What a darn shame for TK! I am very upset that the Chamber just waltzes right in and gets it. We all know it was a political move and shame on the Chamber and the Commissioners! They will never provide the professionalism and marketing expertise that TK offered.
Its a disgrace!! "
Its a disgrace!! "
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