" Wow, it only took a week for you to come up with that rebuttal. Your right on the ball. "

" News Flash!!!!! Read the Letter to the Editor in today's edition (9-25-08), regarding the charter. Very well spoken and very factual. Enough said. We are very thankful that Bill Brown is not running again. He has a hard time getting along with anyone who does not agree with him. Not a good trait for politics or elected officials. "

" News Flash "Vision", Bill Brown is not running for commissioner. News at 11.

Yes there are three in there now, two making bad decisions. And before you say I must be his friend, I don't know the man, but should would like to.

Can any of the non supporters of this charter debate any issue without calling people names? You sound like a democrat reaching for straws because of Palin. Oops, I hope I didn't offend anyone by calling them a democrat. Sorry. "

" Klamath County is one of the poorest in the state:

In 2007, there were 17 severely distressed counties in the state of Oregon, Klamath was one of those counties coming in as #5 of the most severly distressed counties in the state.

Something different has to be done, we cannot afford to go down this same road. I don't know if the charter is the way to go or not, but it has to be better than what we have.

The "with vison" poster is very wrong, it is too bad he or she puts out this mis-information. A little research would save him/her a lot of embarrasment. "

" Tony, you pulled someones chain, good job, I love seeing the little guy stand up to the bully. You got the bully on the ropes.

I do have to say one thing tho. One of these poster say something like you wouldn't admit to something good that they did.

I read that and thought for quite some time. I googled Klamath County Commissioners, I looked through some of the minutes. Other than approving liquor licenses, and trying to cover thier tracks with a letter to the editor written by someone names Shaw, I can't see any "major" accomplishments.

I'm glad this person asked this question, because I now know that they do nothing except "socialize" on these Washington DC trips.

I'm voting yes for the charter. "

" Tony aka With Vision:

Now you stoop to the level of calling all the voters of Klamath County a bunch of hillbillies. Shame on you. You are the exact reason why we need change.

Lets break down some of your statements: #1We want commissioners who have vision and goals to continue to make Klamath County a place people want to visit and live in.

Ok, after reading this, I can hear the theme "Glory, Glory Halleluah, playing in the background. Other than telling the county they are broke, laying off employees on a yearly basis, desamating the Sheriff's Office so it is losing there deputies to the City Police because of "stability", greasing the palms of the airlines so we can have higher fairs, can you name an equal amount of "good things" that they have brought to this county?

Statement 2: So, you want someone who lives in a poor area to represent you, dressed in bib overalls while representing us in Salem or Washington D.C.?

Exactly, you are now getting it. What good things have these commissioners brought to Klamath County by visiting Washington DC....Oh Yea, NO TIMBER MONEY. Was the loss of these funds a surprise to them? Aboslutely not. 2004, they were advised that these funds will be going away. What proactive steps did they take to assure this county would be funded?

Statement 3: There are other countys that are on the verge of bankruptcy, no law enforcement.

Name One. Talk about not knowing anything. Law Enforcement is mandated by law. The level of law enforcement is up to the commissioners. There are two counties that took major hits, Klamath and Josephine. Both being ran by incompetant people. At least the other counties took measures to assure services when the federal Government said NO MORE TIMBER FUNDS.

I made my statement about once upon a time because there are people like you that do live in this fairy tale land that think all is rosey in Klamath County. It's time to crawl out from underneath the rock, and open your eyes. "

" Your crystal ball is very foggy! I am an average citizen living in the county. It sounds like you wouldn't admit something good about the two commissioners you said by name, if your life depended on it. By the way, aren't there 3 commissioners? What about the 3rd one? He must be a friend of yours. It must be pretty miserable living inside of your head with such negative and pessimistic thoughts. Give me an example, personally by the way, that you experienced, or is it just say so from some disgruntled friend. How dare you slam my personal experience!! I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt. And, by the way, if these two commissioners that you mentioned by name were so horrible, why are they still in office? Apparently, the majority of the people are very happy with their service. I am. So, I am, along with my family, voting NO ON THE CHARTER!!! "

" Boy, what vision you have!!! We want commissioners who have vision and goals to continue to make Klamath County a place people want to visit and live in. So, you want someone who lives in a poor area to represent you, dressed in bib overalls while representing us in Salem or Washington D.C.? Successful people with goals and visions, dress like what they are and want. I am so glad that you are not runnning this county. You would probably keep us, as you say, "the poorest" county in the state. You have very little knowledge of our state. There are other countys that are on the verge of bankruptcy, no law enforcement, etc. Just read the paper and you will learn about what is going on in our state. Klamath is far from being the poorest county in the state! "

" Ok, we all know what the opponents agenda is, and that is to put these two commissioners on a pedestal with a light beaming down on them and angelic music playing in the background.

Reallity is no one can find these two (soon to be 3) commissioners to put them on this pedestal.

Our tax dollars at work.

Personally, I want a person that knows what it is like to live in the poorest county in the state. I don't want a stuff shirt that has a smirk on thier face (see H & N 9/8/08) pretending to know what it is like.

I want someone that will listen to me, roll up his/her sleeves and not be afraid to get himself/herself dirty. 3 piece suits don't cut it in the real world.

I want someone that know rural Klamath and can make decisions based on life experience. Not decisions that they have to "google" to know what "Friesian" means, or what a milk flow meter is.

I want people that live by me, representing me, I don't want 2 stuff shirts representing everyone. "

" To Personal Experience:

You should have started your sentence off "Once upon a time, a long, long, time ago, in a land very far away.

Nice try though. Any voter can see through that smoke screen, which one are you Al or John? "

" I, personally, have gone to the Commissioner's office and asked to see one of them. I was immediately ushered in and was treated very wonderful!!! My concerns were addressed and I left knowing that he cared for what I was concerned about. The pro charter people seem to only gripe and complain about everything that does not agree with them. This negative, self pity attitude is not one we need in anyone who wants to head up our county. Please vote with me and vote NO on the charter. "

" Ok, I didn't think that I would have to explain what "Open Door Policy" meant. But apparently, there is someone out there that cannot grasp the concept of an "Open Door Policy".

Websters describe "Open Door Policy" as: admission or access; unrestricted opportunity.

When these commissioners say they have an "open door policy", they open the thier doors to "Unrestricted Opportunity".

So NO, a phone call is not needed. Now if the Commissioners want to change thier "Open Door Policy", they should, or be available to members of the public when they "show up" without calling.

Anything else that you need to have explained, please ask.

Have a nice day. "

" Someone in Gilchrist will be representing Keno, Chiloquin, and about half the county on the west side. Your friends in Bonanza will be represented by the same person who represents Bly, Beatty, Merrill, Malin. If you go and look at the proposed charter map at www.klamathrepublican.com you can see that there are three districts in the core downtown Klamath Falls area and then two districts take care of the rest of our county. I

don't want only one commissioner to represent me...I want all three of them.

If you want to see one of our commissioners, just call the office and make an appointment. Isn't that what you do before you go see friends, or do you just show up and expect them to be there when you are?

The idea that the commissioners don't know anything about the area you live in is laughable. "

" To To Biased:

Use paragraphs.

Simply stated, why should someone from Pine Grove represent me in Gilchrist. Why should someone in Keno represent my freinds in Bonanza?

Please forgive me for plagerizing the below information, but I saw this one post a while back and fortunatly, I was able to find it. This is was stirred me in the right direction was I will be voting yes. Whoever the author of the below comment was is brilliant, thank you.


" Currently you do not have 3 commissioners representing you; you have 3 people representing the County, not you. Any of these 3 commissioners do not care about you.

When you have personal representation, it is just that personal. They say now that they have an "open door" policy, but I challenge any one of you to go down to the commissioner’s office and ask to speak to Al, or John, the canned response is "I'm sorry, they are not in the office today".

When you go down there everyday, and get the same response, kind of makes me wonder where our tax dollars are going.

If we vote for personal representatives, you are voting for people that care about you, and the area that you live. They will care about that train horn that you live by because they live by it to, they will care about the subdivision going in by your house because they live by it to. They will care about the person that has a junk yard in front of his house, because they will live by it to.

These people will be the average voter and will see what life is like in our area without blinders on. Because of the sometimes volatile responses from opponents of this measure, I cannot list my address, but I can guarantee you that If I go to the commissioners office and if I'm lucky enough to talk to a commissioner the one time a month he's in the office to talk about a problem in my area, he WILL NOT even know where my area of Klamath County is.

This is why we need representation by districts, that is why having 5 commissioners is better than three.

See, pretty simple.

Do you see my point? " "

" What bothers me about proponents of the Charter such as yourself is your inablity to step into the Political/Policy arena and play the game. You oppose any opposition to your Charter. You use words like "stupid" in your rebuttles, at no point did anyone say that a supporter of the Charter was stupid. However, if one was to look at the charter (in and effort to make and informed decission) they would see that it is poorly written and confusing. It opens the door to many a question... however, if someone (looking to be informed) seeks to question those missing elements your proposal or to better understand what the Charter is really saying you and your fellow proponents attack them you assume they are "stupid" or simply meanspirited. You ask for the voters to make up their own minds; this is a basic request but at the sametime doesn't the voter have the right to question the charter in an effort to adequately make a decission? Isn't that how the democratic system works; voters take into consideration BOTH SIDES and then weigh the information and make a decission as to how they will vote. Instead you and yoru fellow proponents want voters to blindly accept the Charter to avoid questions and simply accept your statements that the Charter is what is best for the County. People in Klamath County are not stupid (on either side fo the issue) but those who shove political change and policy reform on citizens and refuse to allow or tollerate questions are the ones who should be questioned about hiding things. Ask a Charter proponent why the change and they answer "because the commissioners are hiding something" or they respond "Because its a more representative system". More representative? Currently I have the right to vote for three commissioners at large I'm represented by three commissioners I have three chances to effect change and for my voice to be heard I have the opportunity to talk to three civic leaders about my concerns. under the charter I'm limited to one representative who is responsible for a enormous area and I have no say in the other four individuals who will be dictating how my county is ran; where is better representation in that? You also mention that Commissioners are hiding money... that is a neat trick considering all county finances are public record. To me it sounds like charter proponents prefere silence on the Charter issue in hopes that voters will blindly accept their rhetoric and possibly pass their veiled system so they can then unfold thier true motives under the protection of a document that seeks only to devide and weaken our county. Its not those asking questions who are hiding its those who simply can't accept freedom and liberty of the voter to make an informed and well researched decission. "

" To unbiased: You say that everyone should know that Reg LeQuieu is one of the main people who helped put the charter together".

I ask you, SOOOOO. You go on to say, "Why would we really trust the fact that he would tell us the whole story". For the same reason you expect me to believe the commissioners are not hiding money.

See, it goes both ways, you say the supporters cannot be believed, I say the non supporters cannot be believed.

Commenting in these forums are not going to make this fail, or make it pass. You as most non supporters think that the voters of Klamath County are stupid, and will listen to you.

I am here to tell you we are not stupid. Anyone has access to the Charter and can read it and make up thier own minds. You and your non supporters of this Charter continually bash people that are in support of it, and that only makes me think of one thing....WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?

Leave us alone, let the voters make the choice, your lies will not help. "

" I saw the handout that Reg was giving out. When you really look at it, he is not telling the whole truth about the cost of a new form of government. Let alone, all the freedoms that will be taken away from us. He left out very obvious extra expenses that will come into play if this very poorly written charter were to ever pass. We, the citizens, will not be dubed into believing all rhetoric that is out there. I personally believe that the facts I read from a handout from those opposing the charter were very clear and very factual. If you want to see those facts, you can pick up a copy at the Republcan Headquarters. I saw them there. Also, they have other information about the charter on their window and also inside. Please look at both sides before you vote. I did. It is very clear that this "recall" as some are calling it, is very bad for our community. So, do as I am going to do-vote no on the charter. "

" All three of the prior comments were written by the same person. I'd bet on it! "

" This is simply more lies from the charter folks.

Reg will not tell you that he and the other charter folks are disguising their recall effort in what they are calling a charter.

Do not let Reg and the 3 Bills destroy our community.

Vote NO on their recall scam they call the charter. "

" Everyone should know that Reg LeQuieu is one of the main people who helped put the charter together. Why would we really trust the fact that he would tell us the whole story? Why would they even put into that charter all the ways they can tax us? It really makes me wonder about the true reason for this charter. What citizen in their right mind, would vote for a government that would list all the new ways of getting taxes from us?? I am voting NO on the charter. I do not want even a remote chance that new taxes could come into reality. Vote NO!!!!! "

" Reg failed to tell you about the simple majority compared to the double majority now in place. Simple majority means that they could call for a special election in July when many people are doing Summer things, or in the middle of December. First of all, a special election would cost us, the taxpayers, around $50,000.00. Then, if only 100 people voted and 51 voted for the sales tax, business tax, luxury tax, excise tax, etc. it would be come law. Right now, double majority means that at least 50% of those who voted in the last governor's race must, first of all vote, and then at least 51% of these voters must approve the new tax. If 7,000 people voted in that governor's race, than at least 3500 people must vote for the new tax and then at least 1785 people of that group must approve the new tax. This is a safety for all of us that a new tax is not slipped in at an inconvienent time. So, please, Reg, tell the whole story. And who wants to open the door for ALL these ways of getting taxes from us the citizens. And, a whole thousand dollars for a more than full time job, is a little bit of money!!!
Come on, we citizens are not stupid. We see through this whole charter business. Vote NO on the charter and protect us from excessive taxation. "